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Posted by: Fides Oct 6 2009, 10:29 PM



Assisted suicide TV programme reopens debate
2009 October 5
Terminally ill choosing assisted suicide should be allowed to do so without travelling abroad, advocates urge

Proponents of assisted suicide are calling for the elimination of laws preventing the terminally ill from receiving assistance to end their lives after TV footage documenting the final moments of a 53-year-old man.

TV2 on Sunday broadcast the story of Kaj Guldbech, who had been suffering from incurable pancreatic cancer before he ended his life at a Swiss suicide clinic earlier this month.

He chose to have the procedure carried out in Switzerland because it is legal there. He had made repeated calls during the final months of his life to be allowed help to commit suicide, most recently three weeks ago, also on TV2.

Pointing to the debilitating nature of the condition he had been suffering from since 2000, Guldbech compared assisted suicide laws with animal welfare laws.

‘If I treated my animals like we treat humans and just let them suffer, I’d be found guilty of animal abuse and neglect and wouldn’t able to own animals anymore.’

During the broadcast, footage of Guldbech travelling to Switzerland was shown, as were consultations with a doctor to ensure that it was his wish to take his own life.

Guldbech was shown being given a sedative by personnel at the Dignitas clinic. He then asked for the first dose of medication that was to end his life.

In the final scene before the cameras were switched off, Guldbech was shown saying a tearful farewell and asking for the second and final dose of medication.

Guldbech’s death was not shown, and the next scene in the broadcast was of his casket being carried out of the clinic.

Accompanying Guldbech on the trip was Flemming Scholaart, the president of EVD, an association promoting the rights of the terminally ill. EVD dropped its support for assisted suicide two years ago due to massive political resistance.

Scholaart, said however, that Guldbech’s story, and the fact that it cost him a reported 80,000 kroner to have it carried out, showed ‘how grotesquely things have developed’.

But the cost of travelling to a clinic in another country was only one argument in favour of allowing assisted suicide. Allowing people to end their lives in familiar surroundings, he said, was more important.

Euthanasia is punishable as manslaughter in Denmark, but certain measures are allowed, such as refusing to accept treatment, stopping treatment of the terminally ill or prescribing pain killers that accelerate the process of death for the terminally ill.

The Health Ministry and a majority in parliament ground their resistance to assisted suicide on Ethical Council guidelines warning that permitting the procedure would turn it into a routine, rather than a last ditch procedure.

The Ethical Council adds that current legislation is sufficient to ensure that adequate care is provided for the dying and those suffering from chronic pain.

Posted by: Pink Lemonade Oct 6 2009, 11:13 PM

Mi se pare macabru, daca ai ajuta pe cineva sa moara pentru mine e egal cu a-l omori. Nu cred ca sunt multi medici care ar face acest lucru, mai ales cand se stie bine ca telul unui medic nu e sa omoara/sa ajute la omorare ci sa aline si sa lungeasca viata.
Cred ca e cea mai stupida metoda legalizata vreodata!

Posted by: tiana Oct 6 2009, 11:17 PM

Fetelor,e greu cu" Assisted suicide".
Dar asta e alta poveste!

Posted by: pirigoce Oct 7 2009, 10:02 AM

La noi in Romania se practica in schimb "eutanasierea" .
Un caz foarte recent, a avut loc la noi in spitalul judetean.O doamna de 69 de ani din sudul tarii, a venit aici ca sa se opereze de o tumoare pe creier. Oficial cica, operatia a fost o reusita, deoarece, doamna s-a trezit din operatie, dar dupa 2 ore a intrat in coma, deoarece a facut hemoragie cerebrala. A fost reoperata. Doamna nu si-a mai revenit deloc si dupa 3 saptamani de zacut in coma in spital sustinuta find numai de aparate, doctorii au zis ca sunt 50% sanse sa respire singura, asa ca au deconectat-o fara acceptul familiei, ca doar asa aratau analizele. Rezultatul a fost cel scontat in astfel de cazuri. Doamna a fost declarata decedata, la 5 minute dupa deconectare.
Deci asta ce este ?

Posted by: Fides Oct 7 2009, 12:57 PM

Asta e crima, piri!

Posted by: Pink Lemonade Oct 7 2009, 01:32 PM

Mie nu mi se pare normal ca nici macar familia sa decida daca e bine sau nu sa fie deconectata. Pana la urma suntem doar niste oameni. Nu avem dreptul sa luam alte vieti.
Femeia aia isi putea reveni. AM citit undeva despre un barbat care a reusit sa respire cu ajutorul muschilor puieptului sau ceva de genul acesta. Tpul era psihic sanatos. E un caz miraculos de care a auzit toata lumea cu ani in urma. Imposibil sa nu stiti. Nu mai stiu eu numele lui sad.gif .

Posted by: pirigoce Oct 8 2009, 10:30 AM

Asa a considerat si familia, ca nu aveau dreptul sa o deconecteze, mai ales ca nu s-a discutat cu nimeni.Sora doamnei decedate, statea la o prietena buna de a mea. Inaintea ei au stat fetele doamnei, fiecare cate o saptamana, perioada in care nici macar nu s-a pus problema de deconectare, sau macar mutare in localitatea natala.In saptamana cand a venit sora Doamnei, fiind si dansa la peste 65 ani, intr-o vineri dimineata a nimerit la spital exact in momentul cand o deconectau si a asistat socata la deces. Punct. Explicatia medicilor cu sanse 50-50% sa respire singura,a venit ulterior, fiind data fetelor doamnei, care au cerut insistent sa se motiveze deconectarea. Si gata. Cu asta "case closed", de tot.

Posted by: Fides Oct 8 2009, 10:33 AM

O asemena fapta nu poate fi numita decit crima, ramin la parerea mea si ar trebui facut ceva in acest sens. Macar o plingere la politie si o sesizare la Colegiul Medicilor. Orice ar fi, nu putem avea acest drept asupra altor oameni.

Posted by: carmaw Oct 18 2009, 03:51 AM

Eu sunt PENTRU.
M am informat costa doar 30.000e
cind esti batrin bolnav fara scapare ravasit de niste dureri ingrozitoare,cind nu mai ai de ce si pt cine sa lupti, cind vezi ca mostenitorii de abia asteapta sa decedezi....DE CE NU ?

Posted by: Teocris Oct 20 2009, 07:34 AM

Un om daca vrea sa moara o va face cu sau fara ajutor. closedeyes.gif
Incerc sa ma pun in pielea acelui om (din filmuletul pus de Fides) si realizez ca si eu mi-as dori sa mor daca as fi in situatia aceea. Mai bine asa decat sa-i chinui pe cei dragi mie. Sunt o persoana mandra care cu greu accepta ajutor si nu mi-ar fi deloc bine sa vad cum neputinta mea ii obliga pe cei din jur sa ma suporte si sa aiba grija mea . Prefer sa ofer ajutor. Si acum ajungem la partea a doua a problemei. Daca ma pun in pielea unui om care are o ruda/ prieten drag sufletului, nu cred ca as accepta aceasta varianta. Si daca de mine ar depinde sa decid soarta acelui om, as lupta cu toata lumea si cu toti demonii ca sa-l tin in viata. Cine sa ma mai inteleaga?

Posted by: pirigoce Oct 20 2009, 10:02 AM

Este intradevar o problema cu doua fatete. Daca esti tu personal cel bolnav si esti si constient de asta (nu esti o leguma)ai vrea sa scapi si tu de durere,chin si umilinta si sa ii scapi si pe cei din jurul tau de chinul de ati purta zilnic de grija.
Dar daca ai pe cineva drag si ti-ar cere sa il ajuti sa scape ....Doamne !!!! Nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc mai mult.

Posted by: Kriszta Nov 2 2009, 08:06 PM

Nu stiu ce sa zic.... magindesc.gif

Probabil ar fi o optiune pentru cei foarte bolnavi....dar totusi pare asa de trist.... crying.gif

Posted by: stopcadru Nov 3 2009, 07:32 PM

orice subiect in care apare moarta e dureros, recunosc, insa sunt pentru euthanasie. Numai cel care stie ce e durerea insuportabila in trup, numai cel care vede ca pe zi ce trece mrge spre moarte fara ca nimeni din jur sa poata opri acest lucru stie cu ce s econfrunta. Sigur sinuciderea e un pacat enorm insa e greu de suportat durerea fizica, psihica si neputin'a.

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