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kalua
post Sep 10 2007, 11:23 PM
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Daca-i de barfe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) : un nene de la noi, de la personal, trebuia sa se-nsoare cu una, arata bine tipa. Si-a lasat-o pe aia cu buza umflata si a-nceput un techtel-mechtel cu o colega de-a lui, una cu fund de cal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) si niste picioare mai mult decat solide si pline de hopuri-damburi. Si mai si umbla in pantaloni mulati, de sa-i vezi fiecare ridicatura si coboratura celulitica. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nesigur.gif) La sfarsitul trecut de saptamana si-au luat verighete si-n octombrie se iau. (Si acuma, fie vorba intre noi, pe asta nu cred ca are curajul s-o lase cu fundu-n balta ca daca-i sterge tipa un picior om l-a facut (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ).
Am si eu oleaca de celulita acolo, asa cum ii sta bine oricarei femei. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Si nu ma mai stresez atat, mai am perioade in care fac sport, ma mai ung din cand in cand cu cremusoare de-astea anticelulitice si-i prea deajuns.
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post Sep 10 2007, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(walpurgik @ Sep 11 2007, 12:03 AM) *
Sa o vezi si pe cracanata de Zavoranu, care a slabit mult de tot de cand s-a lansat ea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) si tot are; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nusepoate.gif) mai, cum vine fiinta asta in emisiune imbracata, parca din ce in ce mai rau, parca face trotuarul.

Walpu, asta ma tot minunez si eu, cred ca in curand nu o sa ii ajunga nici macar doar lenjeria intima. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Pe mine ma amuza de cele mai multe ori (nu neaparat de lucrurile bune (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) si mi se pare ca stie sa intretina atmosfera in emsiunea aia, care de altfel mie personal mi se pare ca nu are un concept prea inteligent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Probabil nici nu ar avea prea mult succes fara ea.

Si acum on-topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) : cremele astea anticelulitice au efecte sau sunt mai mult asa de marketing? Cred ca nu exista marca care sa nu aiba nu stiu cate tratamente anticelulitice. Eu am putina celulita, vizibila doar daca incordez muschii (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Sa imi iau asa ceva sau tot activitatea fizica e baza? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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walpurgik
post Sep 11 2007, 12:02 AM
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Ia-ti si ceva crema, fa si sport, n-o lasa sa se puna de tot ca n-o mai scoti la capat dupa aia cu nimic.
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Cindy
post Sep 11 2007, 12:41 AM
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Tu folosesti ceva, Walpu? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Daca da, ce?
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rozy
post Sep 11 2007, 09:41 AM
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mama ei de celulita (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) e genetica...depinde si de cat de buna e circulatia prin capilare....si la mine e varzaaa...ca doar sunt fata lu' mama (IMG:style_emoticons/default/closedeyes.gif)
io cu my dear sister albina ne-am hotarat(de foarte multe ori de altfel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nesigur.gif) ) sa facem miscare....asa ca a facut rost de winsor pilates si tae bo...dar am obosit numai batand din palme si topaind un pic...e jale (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
acum planuim sa ne facem abonament la inot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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walpurgik
post Sep 11 2007, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(sweet_girl @ Sep 11 2007, 01:41 AM) *
Tu folosesti ceva, Walpu? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Daca da, ce?

Acum am un pachet de la Galenic, Elancyl cu gel gomant si gel de tratament. Am avut foarte multe de cativa ani incoace, au dat roade cand faceam mult sport si beam multa apa, coroborate cu masaj, numai ca pe vremurile alea nu aveam mare lucru. Insa cum nu mai aplici tratament soc se vede din ce in ce mai mult, asta si cu trecerea anilor, circulatia devine din ce in ce mai proasta, plus ca daca o lasi sa se instaleze, ma repet, greu mai poti remedia lucrurile, atenua poate, niciodata trata in totalitate.
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post Sep 11 2007, 01:58 PM
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In cazul meu, celulita este direct proportionala cu kilogramele in plus. Abia se mai vede acum dupa ce am reusit sa slabesc. In plus, folosesc o crema foarte buna luata de la plafar. Nu mai retin exact cum se numeste. Postez mai incolo denumirea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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dr_wise
post Sep 11 2007, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(rozy @ Sep 11 2007, 10:41 AM) *
mama ei de celulita (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) e genetica...depinde si de cat de buna e circulatia prin capilare....si la mine e varzaaa...ca doar sunt fata lu' mama (IMG:style_emoticons/default/closedeyes.gif)
io cu my dear sister albina ne-am hotarat(de foarte multe ori de altfel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nesigur.gif) ) sa facem miscare....asa ca a facut rost de winsor pilates si tae bo...dar am obosit numai batand din palme si topaind un pic...e jale (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
acum planuim sa ne facem abonament la inot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Daca nu le prestati la sala, cu o antrenoare - instructor de infanterie militara americana - like Ms Andra, antrenoarea mea de aerobic si tae-bo, nu au efect! Stii cum e sa tii pasul cu Andra la tae-bo?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bati in gandul tau 100 de Mike Tyson! Ii frigi picioare si pumni din toate directiile de-i merg si fulgii, si penele! Sigur ramane fara dinti!
Si e adevarat, si la mine celulita e direct prop cu nr de kg. De cand am slabit, a disparut de pe abdomen, dar a ramas vizibila pe picioare, mama ei!
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post Sep 11 2007, 04:25 PM
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Walpu, ai dreptate, ar trebui sa insist acum pana nu se instaleaza. Am un Supliform, pe care trebuie sa il scot de la naftalina lol, probabil a si expirat. (btw in cat timp expira cremele dupa deschidere? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/magindesc.gif) ) Elancyl am vazut peste tot, ma tenta si pe mine sa il iau, macar sa faca act de prezenta intre celelalte creme. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nusepoate.gif)
Si bineinteles sportul.

Eu am vazut tipe foarte foarte slabe cu celulita, cred ca depinde si de alti factori.
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walpurgik
post Sep 11 2007, 04:39 PM
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Conform Wikipedia:

Cellulite describes a condition that occurs in men and women where the skin of the lower limbs, abdomen, and pelvic region becomes dimpled after puberty. The term was first used in the 1920's and began appearing in English language publications in the late 1960s, the earliest reference in Vogue magazine, "Like a swift migrating fish the word cellulite has suddenly crossed the Atlantic."

Descriptive names for cellulite include orange peel syndrome, cottage cheese skin, the mattress phenomenon, and hail damage. Synonyms include: adiposis edematosa, dermopanniculosis deformans, status protrusus cutis, and gynoid lipodystrophy. Cellulite is unrelated to cellulitis, which is infection of the skin and its underlying connective tissue.

Occurrence
Practically all post-pubescent females display some degree of cellulite. There appears to be a hormonal component to its presentation. It is rarely seen in males.[1] It is seen more commonly in males with androgen-deficient states such as Klinefelter's syndrome, hypogonadism, post-castration states and in those patients receiving estrogen therapy for prostate cancer. The cellulite becomes more severe as the androgen deficiency worsens in these males.

Cellulite is not related to being overweight; average and underweight people also get cellulite.

Causes
The causes are poorly understood, and several changes in metabolism and physiology may cause cellulite or contribute to cellulite. Among these are a disorder of water metabolism, abnormal hyperpolymerization of the connective tissue, and chronic venous insufficiency.

Hormonal factors
Hormones play a dominant role in the formation of cellulite. Estrogen is the most important hormone. It seems to initiate, and aggravate cellulite. Other hormones including insulin, the catecholamines adrenaline and noradrenaline, thyroid hormones, and prolactin have all been shown to participate in the development of cellulite.

Predisposing factors
Several genetic factors have been shown to be necessary for cellulite to develop. Gender, race, biotype[3], a hormone receptor allele that determines the receptor number and sensitivity, distribution of subcutaneous fat, and predisposition to circulatory insufficiency have all been shown to contribute to cellulite.

Diet
Diet has been shown to affect the development and amount of cellulite. Excessive amounts of fat, carbohydrates, salt, alcohol or too little fiber can all contribute to an increase cellulite.

Lifestyle
Smoking, lack of exercise, tight clothes, high heeled shoes, and sitting or standing in a single position of long periods have all been correlated with an increase in cellulite. A high stress lifestyle will cause an increase in the catecholamine hormones.

Classification

Grade 1
No clinical symptoms, but histopathology detects underlying anatomical changes.[1]


Grade 2
The skin shows pallor, lower temperature, and decreased elasticity after compression or muscular contraction. There is no visible "orange peel" roughness to the skin. Additional anatomical changes are detected by histopatholgy.[1]


Grade 3

Visible "orange peel" roughness to the skin is visible at rest. This is the "canonical" grade of cellulite. Thin granulations in the deep levels of the skin can be detected by palpatation. All Grade 2 signs are present, with further anatomical changes are detectable by histopathology.[1]


Grade 4
All Grade 3 symptoms are present, with more visible, palpable, and painful lumps present which adheare to deep structures in the skin. The skin has a noticeable dimpled, wavy appearance. Additional histopathologic changes are detected.[1]


Therapy

Numerous therapies have been tried. There are no published reports in the scientific literature showing that any of these therapies works.

The most beneficial therapy is to control lifestyle factors. Controlling stress and anxiety are of considerable benefit.


Physical and mechanical methods
Iontophoresis, ultrasound, thremotherapy, pressotherapy (pneumatic massaging in the direction of the circulation), lymphatic drainage (massage technique to stimulate lymphatic flow), electrolipophoresis (application of a low frequency electric current) have all been tried.[1]


Pharmacological agents

Any number of drugs that act on fatty tissue have been tried as therapeutic agents. Certain drugs act on the fatty tissue and connective tissue and on the microcirculation. They can be used topically, systemically, or transdermally.

These include the methyxanthines (theobromine, theophylline, aminophylline, caffeine), which act through phosphodiesterase inhibition, and pentoxifylline which improves micro-circulation; the adrenergic beta-agonists isoproterenol and adrenaline; the adrenergic alpha-agonists yohimbine, piperoxan, phentolamine and dihydroergotamine; the methyIxanthine enhancers Coenzyme A and the amino acid l-carnitine; the drugs with connective tissue activity sillicium and Asiatic centella; and the microcirculation active drugs Indian chestnut, ginkgo biloba, and rutin.

These drugs are administered orally, as topically applied ointments, and by trans dermal injection.

None of them has been reported in the scientific literature as having a significant effect on cellulite.


Cosmetic concern
While harmless, the dimpled appearance is a cause of concern for some people. The cosmetics industry claims to offer many of what it calls remedies. There are no supplements that have been approved as effective for reducing cellulite.

Syneron, the first cosmetic laser manufacturer to receive FDA clearance for treating cellulite, combine mechanical, light, heat, and radio frequency energy, also known as ELOS, to the skin and claim success after a few applications of their product.

Radio frequency in the cosmetic industry is used to heat the skin in a non-invasive (medical) cosmetic procedure to heat the fat tissue underneath the skin. That procedure regenerates the collagen in the area and makes the skin look younger and more vital.

Other cosmetic procedures such as Mesotherapy and Endermologie have produced inconclusive results. While each has been FDA approved to temporarily reduce the appearance of cellulite, effectiveness varies by procedure. All methods require continual follow-up to maintain reduced levels of cellulite. "No statistical difference existed" in morphologic assessment of the body after 12 weeks of randomised control trial with Endermologie (Collis N et. al. 1999 Sep;104(4):1110-4 Plast Reconstr Surg)

Liposuction, which extracts fat from under the skin, is not effective for cellulite reduction and may exacerbate the cosmetic problem. Dieting does not get rid of the dimpled appearance, but a balanced diet and exercise may help to reduce the fat content within the distorted cells, reducing their contribution to the dimpling.

Feminist criticism
Feminists claim that the idea that cellulite is an undesirable condition that needs to be treated is harmful to women, since this is a natural occurrence in the bodies of most post pubescent women and "treating" cellulite would be no different from "treating" pubic hair or enlarged breasts. They claim it is another example of the phenomenon of women being pressured to have a more pre-pubescent childish appearance.
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